The last of the debates before the March 4 primaries. Should be interesting given all the crap that's happened in the past week. Part 1 can be found on youtube.com here:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QgSj5Wt1Ap4
Part 1
00:10 - Russert....!
00:45 - Strange, they start right off with clips of HRC instead of allowing them to make opening statements...
01:43 - HRC explains her "Shame on You" comment. Says that Obama's tactics in the last 48 hours -- his NAFTA flyers -- made her do it. Those flyers were in Wisconsin for weeks. That would explain why she still thinks she can win, she's lost in a time warp 8 weeks ago.
03:11 - Don't you hate it when any politician says "So, we should have a good debate based on facts" blah blah.
04:09 - The photo's circulation is brought up. Both candidates brush it aside gracefully.
06:04 - Obama's making all sorts of dirty on HRC's health care pitch.
08:30 - HRC keeps referencing independent experts on the health care thing. Personally, this isn't a huge issue for me. The big difference is the mandate vs no mandate issue. Obama's plan focuses on costs and prevention, HRC's plan forces people to buy insurance from insurance companies. Obama's campaign requested three profs from Harvard to evaluate his plan, and they estimated it would reduce insurance costs by about $2,500 per family. FactCheck.org did a pretty cool run-down of the two plans found here:
http://www.factcheck.org/elections-2008/theyve_got_you_covered.html
The Harvard study is here:
http://www.nytimes.com/packages/pdf/politics/finalcostsmemo.pdf
10:48 - HRC's hijacking this thing.
Part 2
03:36 - Good god, Hilldog, stop.
04:45 - NAFTA!!!
05:15 - Holy shit, HRC is flipping out that she has to answer first on NAFTA. This goes in line with her blame-everyone-but-herself thing that's been happening recently as the nomination slips further and further away. Full quote: "Well can I just point out that in the last several debates, I seem to get the first question ALL THE TIME. And I don't mind. Y'know I'll be happy to field them, but I do find it curious. And if anybody saw Saturday Night Live, y'know, maybe we should ask Barack if he's comfortable and needs another pillow." Crowd boos. What the hell, this is the CINC from Day-1? Hahahaha. She's drowning in her own bubbling hot vat of self destruction at this point. Oh, and the SNL thing is a reference to a skit where the moderators of a Dem debate are obviously in love with Obama.
06:20 - Okay, your husband opens up a Free-Trade zone, and you are surprised that manufacturing jobs move south HRC?
08:30 - Obama always referencing labor and enviro standards.
Part 3
00:05 - NAFTA, continued.
01:55 - HRC's dig at Obama on trade/NAFTA is weak. "Senator Obama told the farmers of Illinois a couple years that he wanted more trade agreements." Ouch!
04:30 - Okay both candidates agree on NAFTA. Both want standards of enforcement and removal of corporate tax breaks for companies who move jobs overseas (how bizarre is that anyway). Both want to try to reduce the effects of globalization on small communities.
08:18 - Interesting historical reference by Russert. In 2000, HRC apparently promised New Yorkers 200,000 new jobs for upstate New York, and they've actually lost 35,000. HRC's response "No, what happened in 2000 was I thought Al Gore would be president." So...she make's promises she knows she can't keep.
09:27 - Let's do some geothermal baby!
Part 4
00:15 - HRC's speech yesterday: "We've seen the tragic result of having a president who had neither the experience nor the wisdom to manage our foreign policy and safeguard our national security. We cannot let that happen again, America has already taken that chance one time too many."
00:43 - John McCain's vast FP expertise -- surge is working because I say so, and let's bomb Iran.
02:30 - Obama's kicking ass on FP. "On the critical issues that actually matter, I believe my judgment has been sound, and it has been superior to Sen Clinton and Sen McCain's."
03:01 - Hearing Hilldog talk about her role in Northern Irish peace is hilarious. What, she had some tea and biscuits with Sinn Fein? She was there man, she was there!
03:33 - HRC: Yeah, but, but! Obama didn't have responsibility at the time, he didn't have to vote on Iraq!
04:22 - Wow. HRC: "Last summer, he threatened to bomb Pakistan."
04:33 - Her Pakistan plan? Be tougher on Musharraf. She always sees things at the state-level. Her generation should just leave, they aren't helping in this "4GW" stuff.
04:48 - Ugh, not the whole "I won't meet with Iran unless there are preconditions" garbage again.
05:40 - Obama: "My objections to the war in Iraq were not simply a speech...I was very specific as to why. So when I bring this up, it's not simply to say 'I told you so' but it's to give insight into how I make decisions. The fact was, this was a big strategic blunder. It was not a matter of, 'Well, here's the initial decision and since then we've voted the same way.' Once we had driven the bus into the ditch, there were only so many ways we could get out. The question is who's making the decision initially to drive the bus into the ditch and the fact is that Sen Clinton often says she's ready on day one, but in fact she was ready to give in to George Bush on day one on this critical issue. So the same person that she criticizes for having terrible judgment, and we can't afford to have another one of those, in fact she facilitated and enabled, this individual, to make a decision that has been strategically damaging to the United States of America. With respect to Pakistan, I never said I would bomb Pakistan. What I said was, that if we have actionable intelligence against bin Laden or other key Al-Qaeda officials and Pakistan is unwilling or unable to strike against them, we should. And just several days ago, in fact, this admin did exactly that and took out the third ranking Al-Qaeda official. That is the position we should have taken in the first place...the fact is, it is the right strategy. And so my claim is not simply based on a speech, it is based on the judgments that I've displayed during the course of my service on the Foreign Relations Committee, while I've been in the United States Senate, and, as somebody who during the course of this campaign has put forward a plan that will provide a clean break against Bush and Cheney, and that is how we're gonna be able to debate with John McCain. Having a debate against John McCain where your positions were essentially similar until you started running for President, I think, does not put you in a strong position."
Part 5
00:10 - Iraq!!
01:00 - Russert asks a lame question on Iraqi sovereignty.
02:30 - Stop with the hypotheticals, Russert. Jesus.
04:44 - Obama pulls a weak cop-out on his Euro-Affairs sub-committee chairmanship. 1 strike to Hilldogs many.
05:36 - Five minutes into the Iraq debate and nothing of note has been said. I blame Russert and the line of questioning.
06:15 - Holy shit, HRC was testy as hell with Williams there.
Part 6
01:41 - "Sky will open, light will come down" clip shown on accident. Obama turns it into a joke: "Sounds good."
04:21 - It's amazing how many times Obama has to provide his credentials whereas Hilldog gets a free pass. But he does it gracefully and forcefully every time.
07:28 - Obama's "co-President" remark is brought up.
08:30 - Obama's playing this whole thing pretty well. He plays the policy side well and at length and then gets in a crowd pleasing remark. Hillary looked really desperate at the start of the debate with the whole health-care shenanigans. He looks cool and calm, and she seems like an opposing fan.
Part 7
00:15 - Public financing brought up. TPM has a run-down on the McCain side of things:
http://youtube.com/watch?v=nG2OMJLT5c4
03:00 - HRC's tax returns are brought up. Russert doesn't pursue the issue. Media obviously loves Obama (or some other conspiracy nonsense)
03:35 - Haha, OMG. HRC just plugged her website. Things must be going awesome in the Clinton Camp.
05:25 - Eff Russert. Seriously. Bringing up Farrakhan? What the helse. Obama handles it better than anyone else could.
06:25 - JESUS CHRIST. Stop this guilt by association bullshit, Russert! He should be disciplined for this crap.
07:10 - Wow. Russert won't stop. Is he channeling Michelle Malkin?
Part 8
01:14 - Obama lays it out on USA-Israel, stays on point. Maybe this will be good that Russert did this now. Obama can look back in November and say "Like I've said all year, Israel is a great ally..."
03:01 - Haha, what, Hillary? Her "I love Jews more than Obama" shtick is awkward for all of us.
04:19 - Okay, so Obama just "denounced" Farrakhan. Here's HRC's retort: "You asked specifically if he would reject it, and there's a difference between 'rejecting' and 'denouncing.'" Obama's facial expression in reaction to that statement is awesome. Small laughter in the crowd at the absurdity of HRC's comments.
05:07 - How the hell can The Economist say that HRC is a better debater. Obama just shot Hillary from the sky. Applause.
Part 9
02:31 - Obama's understanding of where the true source of power lies in our democracy is amazing, and is a huge part of his appeal.
03:13 - Russert asks a question about the new President of Russia. The next five minutes should be pretty pointless.
07:44 - HRC comes as close to apologizing for her Iraq vote as she ever will.
Part 10
Closing statements. Nothing of note. Hey, Telemundo's gonna rebroadcast the whole thing in Spanish. Awesemo!
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